Is this the lowest Republican primary voter turn-out in many, many years?
I do feel sorry for Galvin, who has sullied his previously excellent reputation by further association with Juan Nekai Babauta. Eventually the people may forget about that.
As for Juan, he can resume his jogging and excellent care of his body, and continue to draw on the NMIRF retirement benefits whose current stability he has contributed so much to.
Oops!
Maybe he will be forced by financial concerns to run for Delegate in 2010.
Juan pan for governer???? so he can run the CNMI the way he runs Herman's bakery, or his security guard companies or his contract nurses defunct business? that would be great - the CNMI could pay his sons $40,000 annually to bring in contract nurses and then they could pay the nurses $4.55 per hour just like their dera old dad did until Babauta said no more. Yeah, he's got no political experience but lots and lots of corruption experience and poor business experience.
Previous corruption experience seems to be on the bios and resumes of just about every Governor the CNMI has voted in...with the exception of Teno... he was just stupid.
Yeah, Ed is really concerned about the livelihood of the local people. So concerned, in fact, that he totally abandoned the locals once he landed a job with the OBN!
What is creep! Notice that he is no longer preaching to the locals? He is no longer Mr. CORRECT!!! Just part of the OBN!! HA HA HA
Teno wasn't stupid - he just didn't want to know what his wife was doing. Remeber he is part of the landed arisotocray too with just as an expanded sense of entitlement as the rest of them.
Juan Pan's political corruption credentials is one thing but how do you excuse his terrible busines decisions????
What's funny about this Ed Probts dude is he speaks/writes like he has all the good ideas on how us locals can improve our lives. This is coming from a dude who has not accomplished much in his 38 years of living? Is he one of those dude who cannot survive without a government job? Wow!
But he had a first class magazine..I wonder what happened to the first class magazine that he was bragging about?
criticizing ed's positions on our local issues is one thing, but before you start bagging on his magazine, perhaps you should read this from theodore roosevelt.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
i think the magazine put ed into the arena. he tried and it didn't work out.
it's not something he should be ashamed of. ed should be proud of what he accomplished and learn from the lessons provided in the experience.
if he's so interested, i hope he can revive mp magazine one day. at the time, it was much better than anything published locally.
Why do people have such difficulty with the spelling of his surname? It isn't that difficult. In fact, it's spelled like it's pronounced:
Propst
I don't think many people dis Ed for his entrepreneurial effort. It is the initiative displayed by small business people that make America what it is.
It was his frequent, vicious, rude personal attacks of individuals public and private that rubbed many the wrong way.
People do not forget things like that, especially on a small island where everyone knows everyone else.
The caricatures of people you read about in the Saipan press (and blogosphere) have little correlation with what they are actually like in real life. Including Ed.
The anonymous critic was pretty accurate about some of my harsh letters. To those I have offended, I apologize. I'm not going to bring change by bulldozing over people or by attacking individuals rather than issues.
Did Heinz or anyone get me my job with PSS? No. I think my college degree and experience got me my job and my political views were put aside, the way it should be. And for the record, my salary is one hundred percent federally funded in case you are worried about me being a political hire.
Criticize me. Judge me. Say what you please. I dished it out and can certainly take it. But make no mistake about it. I will not back down on the positions that I believe in. But if I lack humility and the ability to see other views and fail to listen to others and if I interrupt others rather than letting them finish what they have to say, then I am ineffective in trying to bring real change. The real change that I have so often preached about does not happen on Capital Hill. It comes from within. And yes, I am slowly realizing that through self-reflection and from listening to some older, wiser people, one of them who happens to be my father.
I wish everyone a safe and Happy July 4th weekend.
Thank you Thank you Dr. Probts for the clarification!
Please stop denying that you are a loyal supporter of Heinz/Arnold team. Funny because you complained about them so much and now you are part of the OBN! Sure Ed, we know that your college degree got you the job! I know that the OBN helped push your application just to shut you up during the campaign.
"After two years of getting slammed by cowardly anonymous commenters, I have decided to use comment moderation. I will no longer allow vicious, unintelligent, cowardly attacks on me and my family."
But at least one frequent commenter there delights in “outing” the putative author of posts with whom he disagrees (with about 75% accuracy) in almost every comment, addressing whole diatribes to his presumed interlocutor. Such persistent, aggressive, and uncivil behavior is symptomatic of the low level of public discourse in the CNMI and lack of respect for persons of differing ideological orientations or political affiliations than one's own.
As for Edwin, there is no contradiction between his blog policy and comments on this thread.
The rejected attacks are juvenile, scatalogical puns on his surname, his physical characteristics, his family, etc. He does not censor debate about issues or even actions he has taken.
People here have a lot to learn about respect for others, including refraining from personal attacks (such as intentionally mangled surnames), and not attributing unattributed comments.
The focus should be on issues. Otherwise the conversation will simply dry up.
Things would be a lot better if SMR and Wendy would enforce such basic courtesy by deleting posts, and explaining why they did so. Or we could learn a little self-discipline.
Learning to say “no” is important, even if it makes one unpopular -- as the parents of the two-year-old allergic to apple juice found out.
Ms.D, G.B or the Anonymous 3:18 PM commenter (whichever name you choose):
I have read Wendy's Blog and many others. It appears that when you can not defend what you say you scurry away, claiming that the person you are debating with is attacking you personally. I have read the comments that have been posted and although they may mention your many nicknames they always focus specifically on the topic at hand. Most of the time simply taking what you have said and poking holes through it.
The only person I have seen attack people based on the individual and not what they have said is you. When you have no defense you throw out names of who you think it is that is commenting and you attack the person rather than the issue or the arguments.
Try and read back through Wendy's site or others like it (this included). You, Mr. B, are the one that personally attacks people (BTW, this is not a personal attack that is off subject it is my opinion on the issue at hand. The issue you have just made a comment about).
Spewing juvenile scatological nastiness is the dead level best many folks can manage with the intellectual tools they have to work with. And like it or not they have a legitimate right to post their views on this any other blog or forum. That's the beauty and the curse of the Internet.
The guy who delights in 'outing' nonis is a minor nuisance sometimes, but like Ed's wannabe tormenter it's easy to skip over his comments.
But Ed hung his test-tackles out on the chopping block by putting up what is often a very aggressive political attack blog. Some of the stuff he's run was obviously designed to raise certain people's hackles, but his prominently hanging photos of his wife and kids all over his front page is gwarren-facken-teed to stimulate some big time wacko responses.
Wendy is actually pretty good at promoting mutual respect, fostering civility, and removing comments such as those in the first paragraph of the post at 4:32 PM above, if one takes the time (which most of us don't) to contact her.
However, such individuals find it hard to understand they are doing anything wrong, as proven above. “Mentioning” a presumed author generally has nothing to do with an issue at hand. “Scurrying away” is often a direct consequence of the “winning” poster's diversion of the subject, resulting in an incomplete conversation.
Its sort of a more juvenile version of the “win at all costs” blog debate style that Edwin has wisely backed away from but our anonymous “Outer” seem to think is how he “wins.”
BTW, g00$e, I'd be interested in talking some day about what it was like as a civilian in Vietnam.
And we wonder why people don't want to run for political office. Maybe it is because of blogs who bitch and complain but offer no solutions. Bunch of nonsense.
Blogs are no longer interesting since Roberta hung up her Lil Hammerhead shoes.
I do welcome criticism of me, as I stated earlier. But I think innocent children, anyone's children for that matter, are not fair game. A series of attacks against my children was just too much. Let's keep family out of it and stick to the issues.
I noticed some civility has been restored in the Marianas Variety online commentary once they put up a disclaimer and started moderating comments. It was the right thing to do.
I think Edwin is a confused Civil Right Advocate! He no want you talky about heeees children, but he puty de pichors of heees children on the web! loco, loco boy!
Word on the street is the Covenant Party is trying to find which voters voted in the Republican Primary. Government workers with contracts up for renewal that voted in the primary...may find their contracts will not be renewed. Just hearsay at the moment, but interesting nontheless.
Juan Pan just blew many potential votes today (7/08/09) Check out the latest news on the Retirement Fund fiasco. Gov contract workers that will not have their contracts renewed are totally fucked as far as withdrawing their duly paid retirement contributuions and moving on. Some say Heinz has an interesting plan to save the Fund, If so, let's hear it! Meanwhile clowns like Bill Stewert can continue to keep drawing more than they ever put into the Fund. Life sucks then you get fucked.
If you think about it, there was never a retirement fund. This was just a way for under worked and over paid gov workers to milk the trough for a few years.
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Good. The Babauta administration was just too corrupt, and people do not forget who got us into the sorry situation we currently find ourselves.
The low turnout is very interesting, similar to their vote totals in the 2005 general election.
This almost guarantees a run-off in November. Who will be in 2nd place -- Juan Pan or Fitial?
What was Babauta thinking? That's always been the problem...he was never thinking.
Is this the lowest Republican primary voter turn-out in many, many years?
I do feel sorry for Galvin, who has sullied his previously excellent reputation by further association with Juan Nekai Babauta. Eventually the people may forget about that.
As for Juan, he can resume his jogging and excellent care of his body, and continue to draw on the NMIRF retirement benefits whose current stability he has contributed so much to.
Oops!
Maybe he will be forced by financial concerns to run for Delegate in 2010.
Will Babauta be a Doe Defendant in the Jorgensen lawsuit filed Friday against the NMIRF and CNMI in federal court? How about every single legislator?
Notice how Jorgensen is shamelessly trolling for clients in his complaint. Isn't that called barratry?
What a whack-job.
Please vote Juan Pan and Joe Camacho this November. They have the answers and are not career politician like everybody else.
if people want the current admin out, then juan pan should not run anymore or heinz. don't divide the opposition...
Don't worry, that's what the run-off is for.
But the low primary turn-out shows a surprising level of disenchantment with the CNMI Republican Party.
Is Pete P. Reyes supporting Heinz?
Juan Pan? Why so the past three buck minimum wage has a champion?
“Doe Defendants” are a creature of California law expressly authorized by that state. What is the authority for suing them in the CNMI?
Are Ben Tan, Heinz, and Juan Pan to be named as “Doe Defendants” in the federal lawsuit against the NMIRF and CNMI, or will Jorgie play favorites?
Someone should look up the Garment Factories' successful motions to disclose the identity of the Plaintiffs in that long-running case.
The idea that the NMIRF and CNMI would “retaliate” because someone has noticed the Fund is running out of money is ludicrous.
And there are well over 100 legislators, NMIRF trustees, and governors who have gotten the NMIRF into this mess since it was established.
Don't forget the Estate of Jesus P. Mafnas.
;-)
Juan pan for governer???? so he can run the CNMI the way he runs Herman's bakery, or his security guard companies or his contract nurses defunct business? that would be great - the CNMI could pay his sons $40,000 annually to bring in contract nurses and then they could pay the nurses $4.55 per hour just like their dera old dad did until Babauta said no more. Yeah, he's got no political experience but lots and lots of corruption experience and poor business experience.
Agreed
Previous corruption experience seems to be on the bios and resumes of just about every Governor the CNMI has voted in...with the exception of Teno... he was just stupid.
Did Heinz go to medical school?
So what would be Rex Palacios position on a HA administration?
How about Mr. Ed Propts? Is Ed now a registered member of the OBN?? Just wondering because he was manning HA tent in SV during the primary.
HA HA HA. Somebody got Ed a job. Maybe it was Heinz.
Maybe not. Maybe he just like moles.
Yeah, Ed is really concerned about the livelihood of the local people. So concerned, in fact, that he totally abandoned the locals once he landed a job with the OBN!
What is creep! Notice that he is no longer preaching to the locals? He is no longer Mr. CORRECT!!! Just part of the OBN!! HA HA HA
Teno wasn't stupid - he just didn't want to know what his wife was doing. Remeber he is part of the landed arisotocray too with just as an expanded sense of entitlement as the rest of them.
Juan Pan's political corruption credentials is one thing but how do you excuse his terrible busines decisions????
Or Juan Pan's selection of women... there is no accounting for taste.
Ed Propst has every reason to latch onto a political campaign and burrow into the Old Boys' Network.
Think about it. He is 38 years old. What has he accomplished with his life other than as a Glen Hunter wannabe?
Maybe he was told to back off the outrageous comments and political attacks so as not to cost votes for HA and Tina?
If it works for Ed Propst, good for him!
Heinz or Juan Pan? Hmmm . . . .
People are known by the company they keep.
What's funny about this Ed Probts dude is he speaks/writes like he has all the good ideas on how us locals can improve our lives. This is coming from a dude who has not accomplished much in his 38 years of living? Is he one of those dude who cannot survive without a government job? Wow!
But he had a first class magazine..I wonder what happened to the first class magazine that he was bragging about?
criticizing ed's positions on our local issues is one thing, but before you start bagging on his magazine, perhaps you should read this from theodore roosevelt.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
i think the magazine put ed into the arena. he tried and it didn't work out.
it's not something he should be ashamed of. ed should be proud of what he accomplished and learn from the lessons provided in the experience.
if he's so interested, i hope he can revive mp magazine one day. at the time, it was much better than anything published locally.
too bad it didn't catch on.
Why do people have such difficulty with the spelling of his surname? It isn't that difficult. In fact, it's spelled like it's pronounced:
Propst
I don't think many people dis Ed for his entrepreneurial effort. It is the initiative displayed by small business people that make America what it is.
It was his frequent, vicious, rude personal attacks of individuals public and private that rubbed many the wrong way.
People do not forget things like that, especially on a small island where everyone knows everyone else.
The caricatures of people you read about in the Saipan press (and blogosphere) have little correlation with what they are actually like in real life. Including Ed.
I welcome any and all criticism of me.
The anonymous critic was pretty accurate about some of my harsh letters. To those I have offended, I apologize. I'm not going to bring change by bulldozing over people or by attacking individuals rather than issues.
Did Heinz or anyone get me my job with PSS? No. I think my college degree and experience got me my job and my political views were put aside, the way it should be. And for the record, my salary is one hundred percent federally funded in case you are worried about me being a political hire.
Criticize me. Judge me. Say what you please. I dished it out and can certainly take it. But make no mistake about it. I will not back down on the positions that I believe in. But if I lack humility and the ability to see other views and fail to listen to others and if I interrupt others rather than letting them finish what they have to say, then I am ineffective in trying to bring real change. The real change that I have so often preached about does not happen on Capital Hill. It comes from within. And yes, I am slowly realizing that through self-reflection and from listening to some older, wiser people, one of them who happens to be my father.
I wish everyone a safe and Happy July 4th weekend.
Thank you Thank you Dr. Probts for the clarification!
Please stop denying that you are a loyal supporter of Heinz/Arnold team. Funny because you complained about them so much and now you are part of the OBN! Sure Ed, we know that your college degree got you the job! I know that the OBN helped push your application just to shut you up during the campaign.
This is pathetic! The discussion is about who would make the best governor. You sound like a bunch of fools.
"I welcome any and all criticism of me."
But your blog says:
"After two years of getting slammed by cowardly anonymous commenters, I have decided to use comment moderation. I will no longer allow vicious, unintelligent, cowardly attacks on me and my family."
So which is it, Ed?
"This is pathetic! The discussion is about who would make the best governor. You sound like a bunch of fools."
the job of directing comments to their appropriate venue falls on the blog moderator.
So much for intelligent discussion - I hear better at Bobby Cadillacs or Godfathers for that matter.
I hear better in the jail house.
I thought I heard better on Wendy's blog.
But at least one frequent commenter there delights in “outing” the putative author of posts with whom he disagrees (with about 75% accuracy) in almost every comment, addressing whole diatribes to his presumed interlocutor. Such persistent, aggressive, and uncivil behavior is symptomatic of the low level of public discourse in the CNMI and lack of respect for persons of differing ideological orientations or political affiliations than one's own.
As for Edwin, there is no contradiction between his blog policy and comments on this thread.
The rejected attacks are juvenile, scatalogical puns on his surname, his physical characteristics, his family, etc. He does not censor debate about issues or even actions he has taken.
People here have a lot to learn about respect for others, including refraining from personal attacks (such as intentionally mangled surnames), and not attributing unattributed comments.
The focus should be on issues. Otherwise the conversation will simply dry up.
Things would be a lot better if SMR and Wendy would enforce such basic courtesy by deleting posts, and explaining why they did so. Or we could learn a little self-discipline.
Learning to say “no” is important, even if it makes one unpopular -- as the parents of the two-year-old allergic to apple juice found out.
Ms. D. (3:18 PM noni) Welcome back from your vacation. What do your comments have to do with getting on with the election race?
who ever said federally funded local employees can't be political hires?
Ms.D, G.B or the Anonymous 3:18 PM commenter (whichever name you choose):
I have read Wendy's Blog and many others. It appears that when you can not defend what you say you scurry away, claiming that the person you are debating with is attacking you personally. I have read the comments that have been posted and although they may mention your many nicknames they always focus specifically on the topic at hand. Most of the time simply taking what you have said and poking holes through it.
The only person I have seen attack people based on the individual and not what they have said is you. When you have no defense you throw out names of who you think it is that is commenting and you attack the person rather than the issue or the arguments.
Try and read back through Wendy's site or others like it (this included). You, Mr. B, are the one that personally attacks people (BTW, this is not a personal attack that is off subject it is my opinion on the issue at hand. The issue you have just made a comment about).
Spewing juvenile scatological nastiness is the dead level best many folks can manage with the intellectual tools they have to work with. And like it or not they have a legitimate right to post their views on this any other blog or forum. That's the beauty and the curse of the Internet.
The guy who delights in 'outing' nonis is a minor nuisance sometimes, but like Ed's wannabe tormenter it's easy to skip over his comments.
But Ed hung his test-tackles out on the chopping block by putting up what is often a very aggressive political attack blog. Some of the stuff he's run was obviously designed to raise certain people's hackles, but his prominently hanging photos of his wife and kids all over his front page is gwarren-facken-teed to stimulate some big time wacko responses.
Wendy is actually pretty good at promoting mutual respect, fostering civility, and removing comments such as those in the first paragraph of the post at 4:32 PM above, if one takes the time (which most of us don't) to contact her.
However, such individuals find it hard to understand they are doing anything wrong, as proven above. “Mentioning” a presumed author generally has nothing to do with an issue at hand. “Scurrying away” is often a direct consequence of the “winning” poster's diversion of the subject, resulting in an incomplete conversation.
Its sort of a more juvenile version of the “win at all costs” blog debate style that Edwin has wisely backed away from but our anonymous “Outer” seem to think is how he “wins.”
BTW, g00$e, I'd be interested in talking some day about what it was like as a civilian in Vietnam.
I agree with noni 9:39, pathetic and way off the topic.
And we wonder why people don't want to run for political office. Maybe it is because of blogs who bitch and complain but offer no solutions. Bunch of nonsense.
Blogs are no longer interesting since Roberta hung up her Lil Hammerhead shoes.
Uh... you got the wrong guy Anony 5:16 above. I was in Bee-Dee-Yeews the whole time.
Hi Good for the Gander,
I do welcome criticism of me, as I stated earlier. But I think innocent children, anyone's children for that matter, are not fair game. A series of attacks against my children was just too much. Let's keep family out of it and stick to the issues.
I noticed some civility has been restored in the Marianas Variety online commentary once they put up a disclaimer and started moderating comments. It was the right thing to do.
I hope this answers your question.
Happy July 4th everyone!
I think Edwin is a confused Civil Right Advocate! He no want you talky about heeees children, but he puty de pichors of heees children on the web! loco, loco boy!
Word on the street is the Covenant Party is trying to find which voters voted in the Republican Primary. Government workers with contracts up for renewal that voted in the primary...may find their contracts will not be renewed. Just hearsay at the moment, but interesting nontheless.
Juan Pan just blew many potential votes today (7/08/09) Check out the latest news on the Retirement Fund fiasco. Gov contract workers that will not have their contracts renewed are totally fucked as far as withdrawing their duly paid retirement contributuions and moving on. Some say Heinz has an interesting plan to save the Fund, If so, let's hear it! Meanwhile clowns like Bill Stewert can continue to keep drawing more than they ever put into the Fund.
Life sucks then you get fucked.
If you think about it, there was never a retirement fund. This was just a way for under worked and over paid gov workers to milk the trough for a few years.
Juan Pan a crook. Fitial a crook. They both loyal to Willie Tan.
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